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zephre ([info]zephre) wrote,
@ 2008-02-25 15:42:00

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Entry tags:making art, tarot

why yes, I am obsessed, why do you ask?
So in contemplating my Luna/Snape ficlet in progress this morning on my commute, I had a brainstorm of epic proportion regarding the HP Tarot Deck.

But I have a doubt. 

(I also watched The Fifth Element this weekend. If you don't get the reference, just press on.)

I am obsessed with Snape as Temperance.

This is not the card he was assigned in the initial layout of Major Arcana as debated and dissected and eventually agreed upon by me and several of my friends.  (Those whose interests intersected in a tiny HP and Tarot space.)  But the first place I assigned Snape, when I was just jotting my first notes on the subject, was Temperance.  He was assigned to Death later, after several friends and tarotists weighed in on the matter. I then placed Luna as Temperance (which also makes a lot of sense).

Now I have this image of Luna as Death, which would let me put Snape back as Temperance. I am torn.

There are some great points for and against both assignments, but I am finally seeing how Luna could potentially work in the Death card, especially the Death card in a more pagan-oriented deck (Hey, it's me.) where the emphasis is on transformation and initiation rather than actual physical demise or even the cycle of endings.

Luna hears voices beyond the Veil. She sees and befriends Thestrals. She appears to live with one foot in reality and one in a different plane of existence. She cuts through all of the chaff of social interactions and speaks uncomfortable truths. It could work...  But those are essentially the same reasons I placed her as Temperance, just seen from slightly different angles.

I'm wondering who else could be Death if I take Snape out and decide that Luna is better placed elsewhere.  I don't want Voldemort because he is really not a good representation of the card. Besides, I used Tom already as The Devil and that's really where he belongs.

I really want Luna in the Major Arcana, though.  Maybe she'd work as The Star, although that would mean re-doing a card I've already finished.  (Except that it was the first one and one of the first things I did on my tablet and wow can you tell.)

I feel Snape in Temperance because of his balancing act as a spy, plus all of his conflicted loyalties, and the sense of transforming his evil acts into a larger pattern of good. Plus Temperance is the Alchemist, and that is just so Potions Master.  Argh!

I had a really good concept for Snape as Death, though (silver sickle, cutting mistletoe in the Forest, with a Thestral visible in the background). Maybe I'll keep it.


I have these brain bubbles all the time.  Luckily I have no plans to draw Death or Temperance any time soon.  Next up, actually, are Justice (McGonagall) and Strength (Neville).   Plus there are cards (The Wheel of Fortune, Judgment) that don't actually have people in them.  Those will keep me busy enough for a while while the gears squeak.


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[info]melfinatheblue
2008-02-26 12:37 am UTC (link)
I like the idea of Luna as the High Priestess, actually. I can see her as Death, but it's not as good a match, imho.
Snape, hmm. I can see him as Temperance. I've actually never thought of what an HP tarot deck might be, though I tried to come up with a Firefly/Serenity one (only the majors). If I were to attempt to draw one (which would probably be stick figures with labels), I think Death would be either a) a drawing of the veil, or the Aveda Kevadra(which I can't spell).

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[info]zephre
2008-02-26 05:55 am UTC (link)
My first assignment for Luna was the High Priestess.
I'm pretty well behind Trelawney for it, now, though.
I went to a weekend Tarot Seminar in Dallas a few months ago and it totally blew open some great conceptual stuff on the Majors, really helped me think about the cards.

I am trying to have as many cards as possible be characters, especially the ones usually represented as human figures. In this case, I definitely want Death to be a character, but I don't want it to indicate simply life's end. In this case the Avada Kedavra would be exactly the wrong meaning, and the Veil would be too much in the realm of afterlife.
I feel that the Death card represents more a transition, the awareness and acceptance of a tremendous change which essentially transforms the self. This is why I can see Snape in the card, but it's an inconsistent vision.
:)
I could go on and on about this. Pet subject. Thanks for the comment!
If you have a Google account and want to see the big document (see comment below) you can also feel free, just let me know.

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[info]melfinatheblue
2008-02-26 01:50 pm UTC (link)
I guess I think of the AK as a life-changing event for the caster, a spell that impacts and alters the soul (albeit in a negative fashion). Of course, I tend to read the cards by looking at the pictures and saying whatever comes to mind, so my opinion is completely and totally subjective. What about an animagus transformation (like the Marauders first managing the transformation)?

And I would love to see the whole thing. Same username there as here.

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[info]red_day_dawning
2008-02-26 04:47 am UTC (link)
Your brain bubble multiplied until my cranium was filled with bubble bath - I couldn't stop thinking about it. Eventually, I decided that I really like Luna as the Star, although I can't decide between Severus as Death and Severus as Temperance. Maybe both, but in Death he wears a Death-Eater's skull mask? Or is one character per Major Arcana & they can't be represented twice?
I love the notion of Neville as Strength, that's brilliant.
Is Dumbledore the Magician? The Heirophant? Who is the Emperor then? And who are the Empress & High Priestess cards?

Oh, I'd love to see all the Major Arcana representations.

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[info]zephre
2008-02-26 05:47 am UTC (link)
Well, since you asked:

0 Fool Harry going to Hogwarts
1 Magician Dumbledore
2 High Priestess Trelawney
3 Emperor Arthur
4 Empress Molly
5 Heirophant Ollivander
6 Lovers Ron & Hermione
*7 Chariot Fred & George
8 Strength Neville
*9 Hermit Lupin
10 Wheel of Fortune House Point Hourglasses
11 Justice McGonagall
12 Hanged Man Harry in Forest
13 Death Snape (Luna?)
14 Temperance Luna (Snape?)
*15 Devil Ginny with Tom Riddle
16 Tower Dumbledore's Death
*17 Star Lily
18 Moon Marauder Animagi w. Werewolf
19 sun Harry on broom w. Snitch
20 Judgment Sorting Hat
21 World Harry w. two Wands

Aces - Founders
Wands - Gryffindor
Cups - Slytherin
Pentacles - Hufflepuff
Swords - Ravenclaw

If you have a Google Mail account and would like to see the complete (long) document including a table of all 78 cards and their tentative assignments (a few of the pips are still in flux), I'd be happy to add you as a collaborator or viewer. Just let me know.

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[info]zephre
2008-02-26 05:49 am UTC (link)
oh, duh. The * indicates a card I've already drawn.

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[info]red_day_dawning
2008-02-26 07:40 am UTC (link)
I'd love to be added as a viewer, though definitely not as a collaborator (even my stick-figures would need descriptions to be understood). The google account is zunnixatgmaildotcom.
I figured Harry for the Fool, & love the idea of the Sun as Harry triumphant with snitch. Lupin as Hermit is also perfect.
The Minor Arcana is perfect with the elemental/House correlations too.

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[info]zephre
2008-02-26 01:02 pm UTC (link)
hee. don't worry, it's all text.
I have added you so you should get a link.

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